Comments on: It’s a Man-loving-Man World… http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/ it's not chick porn Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:59:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Teresa W. http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16098 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:21:47 +0000 http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16098 Have never read anything in this genre but this sounds like a good read! Have never read anything in this genre but this sounds like a good read!

]]> by: Karmyn http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16087 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 03:40:48 +0000 http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16087 I read the first six volumes of Cantarella and there never was anything really explicit gay or het. I had a hard time remembering who was a guy and who wasn't because of the drawing style. It took me a bit to get used to manga style. I did enjoy R.O.D., which did have a bit of lesbian subtext. I guess my age or the internet has jaded me. I read the manga with the warnings and didn't find very much explicit in them. I read the first six volumes of Cantarella and there never was anything really explicit gay or het. I had a hard time remembering who was a guy and who wasn’t because of the drawing style. It took me a bit to get used to manga style. I did enjoy R.O.D., which did have a bit of lesbian subtext.
I guess my age or the internet has jaded me. I read the manga with the warnings and didn’t find very much explicit in them.

]]> by: catie http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16085 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:11:31 +0000 http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16085 I have been noticing this "trend" in e-book fiction and yes, y'all have totally piqued my curiosity! I'm putting everything you mentioned on my various lists and I'll be checking out your websites asap. I'm *thrilled* to see relationships still viewed by so many as "alternative" making their way into (so-called) mainstream venues. Granted, it's not the same a people realizing love is love regardless of one's sexual identity, but it's a step in the right direction. Thanks so much for posting! I have been noticing this “trend” in e-book fiction and yes, y’all have totally piqued my curiosity! I’m putting everything you mentioned on my various lists and I’ll be checking out your websites asap. I’m *thrilled* to see relationships still viewed by so many as “alternative” making their way into (so-called) mainstream venues. Granted, it’s not the same a people realizing love is love regardless of one’s sexual identity, but it’s a step in the right direction. Thanks so much for posting!

]]> by: dl http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16079 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:51:18 +0000 http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16079 Confess to drifting further & further into m/m reading, not really sure why, but if I find men sexy why shouldn't other men? Jet Mykles is also writing some good stuff in her Heaven Sent series. Also recently published in paperback. Thanks everyone for the recommendations. Confess to drifting further & further into m/m reading, not really sure why, but if I find men sexy why shouldn’t other men?

Jet Mykles is also writing some good stuff in her Heaven Sent series. Also recently published in paperback.

Thanks everyone for the recommendations.

]]> by: Mary http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16057 Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:59:47 +0000 http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16057 See.. I tried to get into Gerard & Jaques, but I couldn't. The art was nice, but.. something about the interplay between the characters I just didn't agree with. There are some other yaoi manga out there that are really good. There's Cantarella (okay, more historical than strict yaoi, but has some definite yaoi elements) and Gorgeous Carat (sexy frenchmen yum). My favorite yaoi manga of all time has to be Skyscrapers of Oz. It has an interesting mystery plot with a twist, the characters are really fun to get to know. Good art. It's a single-volume manga usually wrapped in plastic at the stores. As for the art, there's a couple of girls from Italy that specialize in yaoi art/manga. DanyandDany.com Quite awesome stuff and they're getting out there with different publishers and starting to publish in English. Line of Beauty and Bad Education sound -really- good though. See.. I tried to get into Gerard & Jaques, but I couldn’t. The art was nice, but.. something about the interplay between the characters I just didn’t agree with. There are some other yaoi manga out there that are really good. There’s Cantarella (okay, more historical than strict yaoi, but has some definite yaoi elements) and Gorgeous Carat (sexy frenchmen yum). My favorite yaoi manga of all time has to be Skyscrapers of Oz. It has an interesting mystery plot with a twist, the characters are really fun to get to know. Good art. It’s a single-volume manga usually wrapped in plastic at the stores.

As for the art, there’s a couple of girls from Italy that specialize in yaoi art/manga. DanyandDany.com Quite awesome stuff and they’re getting out there with different publishers and starting to publish in English.

Line of Beauty and Bad Education sound -really- good though.

]]> by: Tumperkin http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16056 Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:44:57 +0000 http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16056 Yup - that totally makes sense. I'd happily read f/f but there's no doubt I find m/m easier to relate to. Yup - that totally makes sense. I’d happily read f/f but there’s no doubt I find m/m easier to relate to.

]]> by: winnie http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16050 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:56:10 +0000 http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16050 I have been a reader of slash fanfiction for about three years now and I must say I love the genre and I'm now just starting to write it myself as well.(it took a while to get up the confidence, baby steps...). I must admit I havent read Yaoi at all yet as I have tended to stick to my fandom but I love that m/m slash and yaoi are becoming more popular. I think I'll have to check out your rec's too *hugs* I have been a reader of slash fanfiction for about three years now and I must say I love the genre and I’m now just starting to write it myself as well.(it took a while to get up the confidence, baby steps…). I must admit I havent read Yaoi at all yet as I have tended to stick to my fandom but I love that m/m slash and yaoi are becoming more popular.

I think I’ll have to check out your rec’s too

*hugs*

]]> by: Anne Cain http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16049 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:30:41 +0000 http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16049 Karmyn--LMAO!!! I'll be quoting that for months now. XD There are definitely readers out there who don't realize yaoi is just a fantasy. On the flipside, there are some readers who have a problem yaoi <i>because</i> of the fantasy aspect and prefer more true-to-life situations and characters. For example, weepy <i>ukes</i> sometimes get picked on for being 'whimpy bottoms'. (But what the hell--IMO, man-tears can be sexy and cute!) Speaking of characters, I've seen some criticisms online that male heroes in female written m/m romances don't 'feel like real guys'. Maybe because the characters are too emotional and that's considered an 'effeminate trait'? Though, last I noticed, men have feelings too. :P That's one thing I really liked about <i>Line of Beauty</i>: the author is gay himself, and he portrays the lead character as a very tenderhearted, eager-for-love young man who sometimes wears his heart on his sleeve. To me, that didn't make him any less a real man. Karmyn–LMAO!!! I’ll be quoting that for months now. XD

There are definitely readers out there who don’t realize yaoi is just a fantasy. On the flipside, there are some readers who have a problem yaoi because of the fantasy aspect and prefer more true-to-life situations and characters. For example, weepy ukes sometimes get picked on for being ‘whimpy bottoms’. (But what the hell–IMO, man-tears can be sexy and cute!)

Speaking of characters, I’ve seen some criticisms online that male heroes in female written m/m romances don’t ‘feel like real guys’. Maybe because the characters are too emotional and that’s considered an ‘effeminate trait’? Though, last I noticed, men have feelings too. :P That’s one thing I really liked about Line of Beauty: the author is gay himself, and he portrays the lead character as a very tenderhearted, eager-for-love young man who sometimes wears his heart on his sleeve. To me, that didn’t make him any less a real man.

]]> by: Karmyn http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16047 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:56:50 +0000 http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16047 Anne, I think you hit the nail on the head with slash vs yaoi. Which explains a lot of the problems fans have with the genre. Too many teenage girls out there (and possibly older women) don't grasp the concept that yaoi is fantasy and life isn't really like that for gay men. Or anybody. I may not read it, but I've spent a long time in fandom and have learned more about it then I ever imagined possible. As for lube, just remember one thing. If sex is a pain in the ass, you're doing it wrong. Anne, I think you hit the nail on the head with slash vs yaoi. Which explains a lot of the problems fans have with the genre. Too many teenage girls out there (and possibly older women) don’t grasp the concept that yaoi is fantasy and life isn’t really like that for gay men. Or anybody.
I may not read it, but I’ve spent a long time in fandom and have learned more about it then I ever imagined possible.
As for lube, just remember one thing. If sex is a pain in the ass, you’re doing it wrong.

]]> by: Anne Cain http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16046 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:25:36 +0000 http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/09/28/it%e2%80%99s-a-man-loving-man-world%e2%80%a6/#comment-16046 <b>Nica</b>~ You're going to Y-con? *squeee*!! Take a few extra pics of the bishies for those of us who can't make it. :D About slash being more realistic-- it's not the probability of the relationship that's more 'authentic', but the details a lot of slash authors go into. I've read stories by gals who put in hours of research actually studying gay sex to make it the most realistic description, and will use plenty of raw language to portray it. It's sort of like this: a slash writer will argue about how much lube the couple should use, but a yaoi writer will say, "Lube? *pfffffffffffft*." LOL Nica~ You’re going to Y-con? *squeee*!! Take a few extra pics of the bishies for those of us who can’t make it. :D

About slash being more realistic– it’s not the probability of the relationship that’s more ‘authentic’, but the details a lot of slash authors go into. I’ve read stories by gals who put in hours of research actually studying gay sex to make it the most realistic description, and will use plenty of raw language to portray it. It’s sort of like this: a slash writer will argue about how much lube the couple should use, but a yaoi writer will say, “Lube? *pfffffffffffft*.” LOL

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